Sunday, 28 September 2008
Leaving the nest
Well we are in spring again here. Last year at this time some doves set up home in a tree in my back yard. The remnants (Go and see Kenoath’s YouTube of Remnants as it is very good) of the nest are still there. I first noticed the mother dove just sitting in the nest for days and weeks. Every time I went to my car I would see it and was impressed with the devotion and indeed the motherly instinct. Finally one day the mother was not there and I saw two little doves sitting in the nest. Mother would come and go regularly and the doves got bigger and bigger.
After many more weeks they started to get quite big and the nest was starting to become very small! It was not long to go now. Then one day I came out and the nest was empty and there was one dead dove on the ground with blood where its head had hit the concrete. As I picked it up with the spade and placed it in the bin I thought, “that about sums it up”. Leaving the nest from mother and father is a hazardous task indeed. One dove made it and one did not.

Its scary. Take the risk anyway!!!
Yes the old attachment and separation conundrum rears its head once again.
Guess what?
It’s a Monday holiday here in the state where I live.
Why are we having this holiday?
To celebrate the Queen’s birthday.
I find that embarrassing to say but it is true. We here in Australia still celebrate the day of the birth of the queen of England.

Jimi H, now there is a birthday we should have a national holiday for.
For F**ks sake! Its about time to leave the nest people! Time to separate and stand on our own two feet people! Whilst the connection to the British empire is only ceremonial now, it does represent an infantile connection on Australia’s behalf it seems safe to say. An unwillingness to leave the nest.
Why?
Because we may fall and hit our heads? If that happens then so be it.
What’s the alternative?
A half life staying in the nest?

Australia's mother country.
A half life and safe or a full life and risk?
Which one would you take?
Graffiti
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You could look at the holiday as a free day off from work since you still have the holiday even though you do not approve of the reason. I do get your point, though. It seems like a 'fake' holiday. I feel that way about quite a few holidays in U.S. It's hard to just look at it a certain way when that is not what it is. Maybe you could protest. Even in some silent way that others would not get. I'm thinking about some kind of private protest for Christmas. Maybe I will take one of those chocolate marshmallow santas and stab it with decorative toothpicks. :-) Or hang it tightly from the Christmas tree by its little chocolate neck. :-)
Posted by: Lynn | Sunday, 28 September 2008
Hi Lynn,
It sounds like a good christmas at your place this year.
Yes I will certainly take the holiday and enjoy the day off. The will be another vote I should imagine in the not too distant future about becoming a republic (ie cutting the tie with the queen) and that might be it. They had a similar vote about 10 years ago and it was very close then.
Good to hear from you
Tony
Posted by: Tony | Sunday, 28 September 2008
I've decided that I am not having Christmas with my family this year Lynn. My own little protest at all the shit in my family and what they are totally ignoring or have ignored. I am not going to be popular at all and I haven't actually told them yet. I just can't do the "family" thing this year and I have decided I just want to do it my way, even if that's having my Christmas day alone. It will be fun. I'll get plenty of reading material and there will be no having to make small talk!! I can lounge around all day and have a nice quiet Christmas. I have been gradually cutting the family ties but this will be a big one.
Posted by: KazzaB | Sunday, 28 September 2008
Here it tis
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=EqX45t16YOk
This critter has left the building! Somehow we all end up like this in the end. Almost makes one want to think about pissing in the street?
kenoath
Posted by: kenoath | Sunday, 28 September 2008
kenoath,
maybe you could retitle your YouTube, vermin-ants.
Cheers
Graffiti
Posted by: Tony | Sunday, 28 September 2008
That sounds like a good christmas day you have planned KazzaB
Tony
Posted by: Tony | Sunday, 28 September 2008
Now Tony, I really like what you said about the Alcoholic Game and being placed on a desert island with plenty of booze. Can that 'islander drunk' really avoid the games there? I wonder Who will be his enabler and who will be his saviour? Perhaps the coconut tree and the pelican will?
Its a bit like leaving home, living separate from family but is it really leaving? Do we ever reach the nirvana of autonomy?
its not even the queens birthday for real!
kenoath
Posted by: kenoath | Sunday, 28 September 2008
And we must not forget those penguins as well kenoath,
Some of that jungle juice can be very potent stuff!
I wonder how old HRH is?
Graffiti
Posted by: Graffiti | Sunday, 28 September 2008
verminant - an aching pain, to twitch in pain (latin) Sounds good Grafitti.
Posted by: kenoath | Sunday, 28 September 2008
Yes kenoath,
Power to the vermin of the world I say.
Maybe we should be having a "world vermin day".
those poor little rodents, it was not their fault they were born as vermin
Graffiti
Posted by: Graffiti | Sunday, 28 September 2008
Thats right Grafitti, it is sad; they probably had vermin parents too.
Posted by: kenoath | Sunday, 28 September 2008
Good for you, Kazza!! I don't blame you one little bit and I think you will have a better Christmas. Even if I did not have my husband and children, I am absolutely positive that I would rather be alone than be with my 'original' family. I haven't seen any of them (except my sister) on Christmas since 2004 and I have been better off for it. Christmas used to be the most absolutely miserable time for me. Now it is at least bearable. Oh... the stories I could tell about the suffering it used to cause me when I would cave in and spend time with those people! The story of Christmas 2003 with my mother is especially awful. Happy Christmas Freedom to you this year, Kazza. Once you get over the hump of telling them, maybe it will feel better. For me, the thought of having to tell my mother that I was moving out of the neighborhood was so distressing, it was what drove me to find a therapist. Life is much better now away from my family. Now, if anyone dares to ask about Christmas, I tell them very firmly that I will be spending Christmas at home and that ends things because I never invite any of them here and they know I don't want the company.
Posted by: Lynn | Sunday, 28 September 2008
Well done Kazza, good for you.
I guess it can be tough asserting that boundary as no-one is used to it but as Lynn says, get over that hump and you will feel freer for it.
Sometimes you just have to burn leeches off.
Posted by: kahless | Sunday, 28 September 2008
Thanks Lynn and Kahless. I won't tell them for a while yet because I know that the guilt tactics will be used. But I do have in my head what I can reply with. I need to do this for me and I'm really looking forward to it.
Cheers........Kazza
Posted by: KazzaB | Monday, 29 September 2008
Ohh Kazza!
Take a deep breath and dive. Mind you... it's easy for me to say.
I wish we lived close - we could get together christmas night around a fire and be the mozzies' christmas dinner. They'd love it! They usually do. *giggles*
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We go to my parents place for christmas lunch. Mum had a stroke and can't move that much and dad is her carer and drives (but people say he shouldn't) so we go to their place.
Oh my goodness i love christmas. The lights... the long light evenings... the flies... the mozzies... the heat and dry the kills all the grass and trees... the prickles that hide in the grass... Oh yeah - the snakes and... just how many spiders are there when the weather gets so hot... the weeds in the garden!! And ohh the smell (stench) of the salt lakes.
Huh?
I really do like christmas.
Lynn
I'll go you halves in the marshmallow santa. You take one end and i'll take the other and we'll both pull. Yum! About you and your family... you must have such strength to do that! Good for you.
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Ken,
The vid - Eat and let eat? Die and let live? Live and let die? It's a small world after all?... or... it takes one to know one?
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Tony
You are a busy bee aren't you!
Happy Monday Holiday to you! She (Queenie) had her birthday over her in June! Spoiled brat!
Posted by: roses | Monday, 29 September 2008
I am not sure what you mean by all of that Roses. Your message is a bit cryptic. Why dont you say what you mean so that I can understand? I am a little short on niceties at the moment Roses so either say what you mean or say nothing at all.
ken
Posted by: kenoath | Monday, 29 September 2008
Ken (with a little 'k'?)
That's exactly what i did mean when i saw the vid. Well that's what i thought. You don't have to be nice to anyone - least of all me - the one who grinds on your nerves. I will say what ever i want when ever and where ever - regardless of how you're feeling at any given time.
But...
I'm sorry you're tired and hurt (if that be the case). And, i do care.
roses
Posted by: roses | Monday, 29 September 2008
I find your comments condescending Roses. Its ok to know what someone means when they leave a message to a specific person. Isnt it?
shiver me timbers roses, pieces of eight and get them midships clear; the black pearl is coming
Posted by: kenoath | Monday, 29 September 2008
Ken,
Up yours!
affectionately yours... roses
Posted by: roses | Monday, 29 September 2008
thar she blows
respectfully
Kenoath
Posted by: kenoath | Monday, 29 September 2008
Ken,
Well you're easily pleased!
Thoughtfully...
roses
Posted by: roses | Monday, 29 September 2008
Do you need some more of something Roses?
what was it again?
uninterestingly
kenoath
Posted by: kenoath | Monday, 29 September 2008
Mr Graffiti,
I do hate societies general slant that "attention seeking" is bad and that it is used as a derogatory term.
I see it as a symptom - as i think you too are saying? - of some greater underlying cause.
I especially hate it when children are referred to as attention seekers. What is wrong with kids having attention? If they had sufficient attention then they would not be seeking it, dont you think?
I for one, on the surface, would spurn attention, yet deep down I do like it. I like being noticed.
Posted by: kahless | Tuesday, 30 September 2008
Ken,
You're not at all uninteresting i'm sure
pleasently
roses
Posted by: roses | Tuesday, 30 September 2008
Kahless,
There's nothing nicer than enjoying some attention. *giggles*
I think the 'thing' is... how we go about getting it. That is sometimes the/an issue.
Isn't it Ken?
roses
Posted by: roses | Tuesday, 30 September 2008
**Kahless enters the game maybe as rescurer as she is feeling uncomfortable but switching in the end no doubt to victim pdq **
Guys...
"Time out" ????
would this conversation be more apt to graffiti's post "Spam and games?"
**but then again I will disappear into the ether now for a while**
** why is the world full of conflict right now?**
Posted by: kahless | Tuesday, 30 September 2008
You do have a point Kahless. Thank you for being so honest.
Don't disappear - ether isn't what it's cracked up to be. Conflict? "We are what we eat" Kahless (actually i'm not a cereal and i eat cereal) but i understand the meaning of the saying i guess.
If we're constantly being fed conflict - then that's what we'll see, smell... everywhere - all the time. We are being fed conflict into our ears, eyes, skin, heart, mind... so that's what we tend to find - conflict.
But you have a very valid point - perhaps our banter is more fitting else where?
(((Kahless)))... roses
Posted by: roses | Tuesday, 30 September 2008
Roses,
it is not my blog and not my place to make any assumptions about what goes or doesnt go. I am sure Mr graffiti doesnt mind as a live and let live guy.
I was just saying as a casual on-looker I am feeling uncomfortable (yes; my problem) and just wanted to toss something else into the pot to take the heat out and distract.
Or maybe I have the wrong end of the stick.
And really we are all raring for a group hug!!
Posted by: kahless | Tuesday, 30 September 2008
That funny Kahless because I am not experiencing any heat. I am however playing a game with Roses, I think we both know that. So if I know we are playing a game "is it a game"?
Roses doesnt seem to wish to end it, or- prefers to have the last word in the matter.
I had some heat from the neighbour yesterday, there has been some aggro around indeed.
kenoath
Posted by: kenoath | Tuesday, 30 September 2008
Ohh Kahless!
How fun are those group hugs. I love the ones when there are so many people in the hug that we all fall over and laugh our heads off! Now THAT is FUN!
I offered Ken a game of chess a little while back and i think i've got his rook cornered. *giggles*
Thank you for being the rescuer... but who were you rescuing? *raising eye brows* Just curious...
Thank you so much for being you... roses
Posted by: roses | Tuesday, 30 September 2008
I'll take the risky business Tony.
I just noticed the question at the end of the post. I like life and i really like risk - to a point. Wouldn't have a clue what or where that point is exactly but it is.
Hope you're not too busy... roses
Posted by: roses | Tuesday, 30 September 2008
Apologies for picking up the wrong end of the stick.
And apologies for interupting the game.
I was rather sqifferooney last night when I posted!
Posted by: kahless | Tuesday, 30 September 2008
yes Kahless,
That is what I am saying. That there is a pervasive bias against those who attempt suicide so as to seek attention and that this is not really all that fair.
As you note a person is only going to go out of their way to seek attention if they feel they have not had enough attention in the first place. If they can learn to get attention in another way then it wont be necessary to do it by suicidal acts. That 'neurosis' is no different than any other type of "neurosis".
Tony
Posted by: Tony | Tuesday, 30 September 2008
Kahless,
Perhaps our 'game' turned into a new game when you entered the equation. I stopped playing when you mentioned Tony though - cause it's his blog and i felt as though i was tromping on his daisies - marigolds? Actually i was going to say daffodils or jonquils originally (The first 2 are self seeders the 2nd 2 reproduce themselves unseen).
So, that's a societal game? One where people come in and add their own aspect to the game and before long it becomes entrenched into behaviour. Just like our society now - with all its governmental (supposed authority) Ohh... actually any authority! Authority is given because every one knows that all games need leaders to not only make the rules but to keep the rules adhered to.
You get the whistle blowers
the greenies
the 'advocates' or every type shape and form
Perhaps that's why questions seem so dangerous
That's why i feel so bad when people ask me questions sometimes
Because i know most things in my life (even the things i don't like and don't want) I know that i have put them there or wanted them to be there. I want excuses. I want reasons for my own frailty. Frailty and failier are only a perception really. Aren't they? Yes. Yes they are.
Why do i want that? So strange...
Posted by: roses | Wednesday, 01 October 2008
Tony! Tony!
I was just thinking.
We tend to think, believe or are taught that boundries are things that keep us in order. But they aren't really are they?
They (boundries) simply give us an idea of the area that has already been explored. Fear would say - "Don't go beyond the boundries because that's where all the monsters are and they'll get you". Things that snared or caught up other explorers of the past. It's just that they didn't know or hadn't thought of the unexpected things that can happen to you when you're out there in unexplored places because - they're unexplored places - they couldn't have known.
It's fear that jeers at the curious or adverturous - not wisdom. Wisdom doesn't ever jeer or make fun of anything. It's just not in wisdom's character is it?
That's what boundries are for! We grow up exploring places that have been seen before by others (that's called education) then we reach the boundries (where things get strange) and if we take some more steps we learn to learn the not so learned. It's slow progress, because we want to survive it so we can tell the stories to others - not to frighten them into staying with in the boundries but to encourage them to grow beyond them!
I'm so glad you're alive! Being alive (learning to grow) is so much fun isn't it?
roses
Posted by: roses | Wednesday, 01 October 2008
That's the Impasse!!
That bit where we reach the boundries and it all seems a bit strange but we're too frightened to go beyond!
So sometimes we just kind of wonder around feeling as though we're getting somewhere - and we are (kind of) we gather little bits of stuff here and there - bits that we may have missed before - but then we get stuck (bored or uninterested).
So we reach the impasse where we either choose to step on into new territory or stay back and live a very unlifeful life indefinately?
Hmm, impasse. It's like a bridge and whether we cross it or not is frightening because either choice made can mean a death of somekind. And threat of death seems so perminant doesn't it? Just another boundry fear. "Don't go out there you might die".
Perceptions seem so real don't they?
roses
Posted by: roses | Wednesday, 01 October 2008
So we need some new game to introduce ourselves to the 'new'. Perhaps 'games' is not a great word for it but that is (in reality) actually what a strategy is.
Oh thanks for that one Ken - it's hard to understand what a game is until we get to play some and see their structure (notice the boundries) isn't it? I'm sure i play lots of games but i can't see them so much (I don't know/understand why). Thank you for being my eyes. It was like playing the mirror game - actors use it as a training fun thing.
I have to get back to my studies - but i want to have some fun - do my own thing sometime! So annoying - mainly because i don't understand - and i so want to!!
I wish i were clever. I'm sure it would be much easier that way. Gosh this learning thing is fun!
I want to hug everyone in the whole world.
(((((((((whole world))))))))))) - not even possible *giggles*
roses
Posted by: roses | Wednesday, 01 October 2008
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