Saturday, 25 October 2008
Male - female friendships
I was talking with someone the other day about that time old question of can men and women be just friends. I recall it was mentioned on this blog some time ago so I thought I would give me two bobs worth about it.
Question: Can women and men be just friends?
Answer: Of course they can, it happens all the time. For instance in the work place a man and woman may develop quite strong romantic or sexual feelings to each other and not act on them because either one of both of them are married. If the feelings are not acted upon then they can remain just friends.

Perhaps the real question should be can a man and a woman be friends and not have romantic or sexual feelings develop in the first place. My answer to that is, probably not, assuming they are both of the approximate age and so forth.
Can an available man and woman be just friends? Again the answer is yes, as long as the romantic feelings are not acted upon. Of course in such circumstances they are more likely to be but not necessarily so with a common example being that one has just recently ended a relationship. Thus (s)he doesn’t feel ready to enter into another relationship even if there is an attraction there between both parties.
I have been working with this female client for some time and she is in quite a good and steady relationship. They plan to get married one day but they are not in any great hurry at the moment. As the discussion progressed in one session she mentioned a previous boyfriend and it became apparent that she still had quite strong feelings for him even though the relationship had ended 7 years ago.

She purposefully avoided going near to the place of his work - she knew where he worked because her sister told her. In her daily duties she would some times think she would see him in the street and then after a second look realise it was not him. She knew where he lived which actually was quite close to where my office is. So I offered her a drive by contract as I do in situations like this. That is for her to go and drive by his house.
Well she was horrified that I would suggest such a contract. Why? Because she knew the feelings that would come up if she did such a thing. She felt that she would be being disloyal to her current boyfriend by doing such a thing. To which I replied, for heavens sake I am not suggesting you have sex with him but just drive by the front of his house.
She is still in love with the ex-boyfriend ay least to some degree and as this became apparent to her it caused her much consternation. So I then set about to reassure her. She certainly was not alone in her conundrum. Indeed most people who have had a strong love relationship end rarely fully fall out of love with that person. Indeed her current boyfriend is probably in exactly the same boat. But this concept can cause some angst in some people’s psyches.

What is being said here is that a woman (in this instance) can be in love with two men at the same time. Some protest strongly against such a proposition but from what I have seen it is true. Indeed my client sitting right in front of me was a prime example. She was in love with two men.
Some see this as not right and it’s like having an affair and cheating on the current partner. Yes my client was having an emotional affair with her ex-boyfriend and in that sense was cheating on her current partner. In one sense this is worse than if she actually had sex with another man. Sex is just a physical act and in one way that is not as bad as having love and a romantic attachment for another.
Welcome to the human race was my response to her. Should she tell her current partner? Definitely not was my response. He knows it anyway because the same is happening with him.

Anyway she did the drive by and his car was out the front but he was not sighted. It shook her up emotionally a bit but she got over it. Indeed I gave her the same drive by contract for the next two sessions as she can easily drive past his house on the way home to hers. She did them and now she says at the end of each session, “I suppose you want me to do another drive by?” (eyes raised to the roof). I smile and say nothing and had no intention of suggesting such another contract to her. She is now making it for herself and she does a drive by each time she ends with me.
She is coming to accept that she is in love with two men and that’s OK.
Graffiti
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Thank you for saying that! I feel safe now.
And that's why it's best not to say anything to the one you're with - because we're all the same.
I asked once - well, actually way more than once and to many people and not just a few - i asked them if it was weird to meet someone they'd had sex with and left? You know, say you're walking down the street with the one you have sex with now (be it a husband or a partner) and you pass a person that you'd been sexually intimate with in a prior relationship. Does it feel weird or strange - embarrasing perhaps? They all - ALL - answer me like... "well, i just don't think about it" or something like that.
I would be like... OMG!
I might be like that. I can't imagine what it must be like - ohh it must be yucky! I don't ever want to find myself in that situation! It would kill me inside. Well... i imagine it would.
I think people are so brave!
Posted by: roses | Saturday, 25 October 2008
Oh my goodness Tony! I just found and read your biography? or is it an autobiography? I can't remember. Any way... oh, what was i goi... that's right
I've always been so glad that you're alive. Great choice!
Hugs... roses
Posted by: roses | Saturday, 25 October 2008
Hi Roses,
I am glad you found it interesting. I have written a few statements about that so I am not sure which one you are referring to
Tony
Posted by: Tony | Saturday, 25 October 2008
I just typed in wpata because i didn't keep it in my faves and there you were about the third one down. I didn't use google, just typed wpata in the address bar and up you popped.
It was in... ohh what's that format... pdf? And about 7 pages long... hang on...
This one;
http://www.ynot1.com.au/magazines/WPATA%20bio.cwk%20(WP).pdf
It's got pictures and stuff too.
I'm glad you chose the 'alive' choice... roses
Posted by: roses | Saturday, 25 October 2008
How do you see homosexuals sit in this model? (Male-female friendship model.)
Posted by: kahless | Saturday, 25 October 2008
Monogamy is a great theory, but more difficult to practice...especially in your heart/emotionally. My shrink explained to me that love is not a zero-sum game. i.e. because I had certain feelings toward him did not mean I was taking away from what I feel for my husband. Honestly, that really helped.
Posted by: April | Sunday, 26 October 2008
Random question...
If you identify games you play, does it help identify your script?
(Too much late night thinking lol!)
Posted by: Kahless | Sunday, 26 October 2008
Yes Roses,
that is me or a bit of what I said about me. Some of it good and some of it bad
Tony
Posted by: Tony | Sunday, 26 October 2008
Hi Kahless
I would make no distinction between heterosexual, homosexual or any other sexual orientation when it comes to one human falling in love with another.
the stuff I have heard over the years in the secrets of the counselling room has left me with a view of human nature where people have romantic and sexual feelings to a whole array of different people and so on. it would make you wonder at times.
People play games to further their life script so they are intimately connected
Graffiti
Posted by: Graffiti | Sunday, 26 October 2008
Good comment April,
It has inspired me to write another post today about the subject matter
Cheers
Tony
Posted by: Tony | Sunday, 26 October 2008
So... the soul mate concept? The - one perfect person who is our true mate who completes us - type thing? If what this post says is true then the 'soul mate' concept isn't. Is that what i'm seeing?
Posted by: roses | Sunday, 26 October 2008
Firstly I will say that some homosexuals can fall in love with the opposite sex and hetro's with the same sex.
However I have seen enough young camp men who hang out with girls and have close friendships with them. Almost best mates in some instances.
And I am pretty sure for some of them at least, there isnt romantic or sexual attraction with the women. I think your model breaks down here.
Posted by: Kahless | Sunday, 26 October 2008
Reminds me of a time a few years ago when I was frustrated about a guy friend acting strangely. My mother made me sit down and watch a movie that she said would "Explain everything". Yes, it was When Harry Met Sally.
Posted by: dragonfly | Monday, 27 October 2008
Hi dragonfly,
I must confess that I have never actually seen that movie. I have of course seen the scene played where she does her thing in the restaurant but other than that I am afraid not.
however I am sure your mother was making a very good point.
Best
Tony
Posted by: Tony | Monday, 27 October 2008
Kahless my pommy friend,
Good to hear from you.
I think you make a good point about how gay men and women can be friends because sex is taken out of the equation.
Over the years I have know a few female sex workers (not as a client I may add) as friends. The same applies there in that sex is taken out of the equation. Both parties know they are not going to have sex because for them it is like going to work and thus the relationship is not confused by that and you are more free to be just friends.
I have a blog post on this one
Cheers
Tony
Posted by: Tony | Monday, 27 October 2008
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