Saturday, 29 November 2008

Treatment of depression - Part 2.

In those instances where a person has a psychological basis for depressive symptoms there are often a collection of common clinical features that lead to some treatment possibilities.

If a person is very depressed then counselling will be of little use as the person is so ‘down’ they can participate very little in the counselling. As a result, not uncommonly clients who are being counselled for depression can at the same time be taking antidepressants. This can at times work well but sometimes the client may need to try a number of different antidepressants.

girl & horse

From what I have seen over the years sometimes a particular antidepressant can be a ‘wonder drug’ and make a great difference, but at other times they can make the person feel worse. So there may need to be some trial and error with this type of medication. The other difficulty is that antidepressants can make people emotionally flat. The depression subsides but so do all the other emotions and this can hinder counselling, as counselling often requires the expression of emotion. This is particularly true for anger in the depressed client, but also can be a problem for showing emotions like sadness in instances such as a bereaved client who is depressed.

Inward turned emotion.
Depression is a sodden emotion. It is an emotionally inactive emotion and an inward turned emotion. The antithesis of this is anger. It is an active emotion. When people get angry often something happens or changes, this is not the case with depression. People do not tend to sit with their anger. If they do then it starts to turn into depression. This is a important point because it means people cannot be angry and depressed at the same time. Angry people are mobile and active. Depressed people are immobile and inactive.

However sometimes depressed people are angry but they turn the anger in on self as the diagram shows.

Anger & depression

This indicates some counselling options. The diagram on the left shows how the depressive will tend to direct their anger at self and this commonly manifests in the person doing negative self talk. This can be a self directed angry act. One option is for the person to identify a ’thing or person’ out there who they are angry at. Then begin to express that anger at ‘it’ and this can result in a reduction of the depressive feelings. However it must be guilt free anger expression. If the person expresses the anger and then feels guilty or bad about it the point of the exercise is lost.

ballet dancer
Action and anger commonly go together



Passive behaviour
Because of the ‘stuck’ quality of depression it lends it self well to being a passive behaviour. (Often a secondary gain discovered by the depressed person) Children can learn in childhood that: “If I am sad enough for long enough then ‘X’ will do ‘Y’”. Mother will give me attention, father stops being angry at me, and so forth.
Thus we have a situation where the depressive does nothing, then someone else does something and thus we have a psychological symbiosis. If you stay very depressed for a long time then you cannot look after yourself and eventually the state will intervene and become the Parent and Adult ego state. So depression lends itself well to being used as the fourth passive behaviour of incapacitation.

Depressive symbiosis

Thus treatment revolves around breaking the current symbioses in the depressed person’s life. Often there is also a historical symbiosis to be dealt with as well.

Strokes
Some people are depressed simply because they are stroke deprived. This is common in socially isolated individuals, they simply do not get enough strokes. Indeed some who develop depression will then become socially isolated and thus the stroke deprivation increases the depression.

In this case the treatment looks at the stroking patterns in the person’s life, how they filter positive strokes and so forth. Sometimes such depressed people will be very resistant to acknowledging and accepting positive strokes from others. In such instances I often switch to plan B. The client then contracts to find and give others positive strokes. This is kind of a back door way of getting the person to begin looking for positives in the world rather than the negatives.

Graffiti

Comments

I like your description of depression as a "sodden" emotion. It certainly is.

And I can see the logic with everything you wrote in this post.

An whilst depression isnt "active" destructive, it is destructive as it chokes.

I decided to stick on a very low (the lowest) dose of anti-depressant, as I am too scared to come off. I hate them in terms that I think they increase my anxiety levels and if I could buy anti-depressants over the counter, I will try something else.

I can cope with down days, but to feel like I did a year ago, well that scares me now. I cant go back there.

Posted by: Kahless | Sunday, 30 November 2008

Hi Kahless,

It does sound like you have had some very down periods. Over the years I have see people have very different reactions to anti depressants.

Anger is so useful in the therapeutic process because of its 'action' quality. The psychologically or emotionally immobile client really is difficult to deal with.

Cheers

Tony

Posted by: Tony | Sunday, 30 November 2008

As you said in your post, it needs to be guilt free.

I got angry this week. It came out of no-where (I didnt realise I was angry until the instant it happened) and it was a red hot flash that lasted about 2 minutes. It was with a taxi driver who had parked in a disabled badge parking spot - the only one free. he apologised and was quiet back so that took the steam out of my rant.

I had a two minute 'rant' then was done !

No guilt there though! lol!

Posted by: Kahless | Sunday, 30 November 2008

Good to hear about your guilt free anger Kahless,

Graffiti

Posted by: Tony | Sunday, 30 November 2008

Where does passive agressive type of behaviour fit it?

Shruti

Posted by: Shruti | Sunday, 30 November 2008

Good post on anger Grafitti. As you may know I have been working with children and teenagers anger issues over the last ten years. Most clients experience a great relief when I show them how to have some guilt free - non hurtful anger. I do not usually like setting things up to fail in the counselling session however occasionally a client shows their resistance to the action part of cathartic anger. Not everyone can do this it seems.

Occasionally a mum will move her chair back a few cms, while her child goes through the expressive anger motions. The child is looking for her permission to be ok, even though we confirmed that contract twice.

So the blocks to free anger begins quite early in life. Unfortunately some Mothers do not like the self awareness element in the way their relationship-attachment with the child works. They usually say "he is a shy boy, the shy one of the family" One must have reasonable self esteem before successful catharsis and the therapist must be a genius to navigate around the Mothers blocks it seems..

Oh well, such is life.

Posted by: kenoath | Sunday, 30 November 2008

If only children would get strokes instead of all the latest electronic gadgets. Even though thats what a child seems to want, a good hug and some unconditional loving would be more helpful.

Some people I have witnessed just dont know how to give strokes and become competitive for the slightest indication of a stroke "in the air". Stroke stealers and stroke non givers have come from the same kind of environment it seems.

kenoath

Posted by: kenoath | Sunday, 30 November 2008

"Depression is a sodden emotion."

Hi, Tony. My experience of depression is different, I guess. Other than as a word to describe a very deep sadness, I don't think of it as an emotion. Depression seems to be more of a word to describe the condition that results when an emotion is stuffed down or something. Sometimes that emotion is anger, but I have also found it can be the other ones as well. Wanna hear something strange? When an emotional situation is stuck inside like that, I often get head congestion. Stuffed up. I have it right now. I think I will buy more shoes. Maybe I can expess myself with shoes. I'm thinking loafers.

Posted by: Lynn | Sunday, 30 November 2008

You are right Lynn,

In the technical sense 'depression' is more than just a sort of feeling. It also involves a whole set of thinking and behaviour patterns.

However it very commonly involves a pervasive and persistent feeling of down, blue, melancholic, sad and/or depressed feelings as well.

Depression as a condition in some ways is seen as the opposite to mania which is very active so that is why one could say that depression is very inactive.

Tony

Posted by: Tony | Sunday, 30 November 2008

That sounds like a great idea Kenoath,

If kids could get more strokes instead of the latest gadget.

I have heard jealousy defined as a perceived lack of strokes and thus one gets competitive and jealous when someone else gets them. Whilst I think that could explain some jealousy to my mind there are many more explanations of jealousy as well

Graffiti

Posted by: Graffiti | Sunday, 30 November 2008

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