Monday, 23 March 2009
Self discovery - Part 2
Self discovery and the parental therapist
In the last post I talked about the therapist who practices in what is called ‘psychoeducation’ approach to counselling. This means the counselling has very much an educational flavour. The therapist sees self in the role of counsellor plus educator, like a teacher is an educator. So they are kind of a teacher plus therapist. Some CBT courses can be a bit like this where people are taught relaxation exercises, thought stopping techniques, behavioural strategies and so forth.
When this is the case the counsellor takes on what could be seen as a parental type role and there certainly is a group of therapists who would fit this genre. The parental type therapist. I have heard many clients over the years ask for this type of thing. They say they are seeking a therapist who will be like a big nurturing, kind, safe, person who also provides answers, gives directions, solves problems, protects and so forth.

Telling instead of allowing self discovery
Many say this is the kind of thing they are truly looking for. Unfortunately it is like fools gold and by and large most people find it is not what they want when they eventually find it. Few end up actually wanting this (in the long term at least).
With the parental therapist the client is afforded much less opportunity to have self generated insight, epiphanies, self discovery and so forth. As such things come to the surface in the process of counselling the parental therapist will generally tell the client what is happening, how they are involved in playing the games, educate them on different behavioural options, give them solutions to their problems etc.
Sooner or later this ends up with the client feeling like they are being told what to do and they have little opportunity to find things out for self. From what I have seen most will eventually move away from such an approach to counselling as it becomes stifling.

We all have a child part that would love to have an 'Earth mother' parent. But it never works out in the long run.
However there is a group who don’t feel smothered and I see these therapists as playing a needed role in the community for this particular group of clients. These are those individuals that are badly psychologically damaged and have adjusted by becoming passive and psychologically incapacitated. They tend to be timid and fragile individuals who struggle to cope day to day because the Child ego state dominates in their personality. They are not bad enough to be institutionalised but they do struggle to cope psychologically and just getting along day to day. They don’t tend to resist authority but will be thankful for the direction given.
I would however divide this group into two subgroups. One difficulty for the parental therapist is they tend to be stuck in that style of counselling and are not capable of working in other ways. Essentially they get stuck in their Parent and Adult and loose their Child ego state flexibility. Thus they form a symbiosis with the client who lacks Adult and Parent ego state function.

Symbiosis
Sometimes this type of fragile and timid client will develop from relational contact with the parental therapist. In essence they out grow the therapist. They get from the therapist what they need and start to develop an Adult and Parent. When that happens the symbiosis starts to break down.
This tends can get quite problematic because they will start to challenge the therapist in their own ‘ineffectual’ way. They essentially start to say, “I am now capable of having my own insights and epiphanies. I don’t need you to do it for me anymore”.
However because they are not psychologically robust individuals they can be talked out of terminating therapy in some cases for long periods of time. The parental therapist often lacks their own insights and understanding of their own limitations as a therapist because they are cut of from their Child ego state.
This can be hard at times for the client because they are conforming. They will be told they still need the therapy when inside they feel and know like they are ready to leave.

These people are very good at inviting parental therapists to come near but then will almost fight them 'to the death'.
Then finally there is another group who really will never be able to stand on their own and make it in life. This type of client can work well with the parental therapist for long periods of time. They get the direction and instruction they need on how to manage their lives and thus cope better than if they did not have that.
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I am very much for the educator-counselor type. Not so big on the parent.
And that is all I have to say about that.
Posted by: myalterego | Tuesday, 24 March 2009
Well Hello myalterego,
thank you for your comment.
I see from your blog that you seem to be making posts again after a break. I hope you continue as I read them.
Do you like the color of my blog?
Why don't we do some blog counseling? You be the client and I will counsel you from the educator counsellor stand point.
Tony
Posted by: Tony | Tuesday, 24 March 2009
I wonder how many people have their own self discovery process altered by extractive identification in blogland?
I seemed to learn a great deal about myself through an informative and structured group. The facts and theories seemed good to me. I processed many things on my own and within the training group - It took some years.
Posted by: kenoath | Tuesday, 24 March 2009
I have some clients who have routines in therapy Tony. They tend to start off with defensive positions (body language) even though they are trusting these days. After talking a while they might sit back in the chair and their feet shift. I am always surprised how they do this inner child adjustment work in front of me. Perhaps trauma work involves the safety of routines especially if weekly anxieties increase.
kenoath
Posted by: kenoath | Tuesday, 24 March 2009
I always thought that a naturally gifted teacher is the kind of person who will be close by, to encourage and help students discover - not actually be the discovery for the student.
When the teacher is the discovery or the source for the student to get discovery from - isn't that like... i don't know how to say it so i'm just going to put words together and hope it makes sense ok?... "Primary concrete conditioning"? - or something like that.
My dad was the best teacher in the whole world! Still is by the way.
Really nice post... Cheers!
Posted by: roses | Tuesday, 24 March 2009
Hello kenoath,
I think I agree with you and the best solution is some extractive identification and then that allows the client to progress and then make their own self discoveries further down the road.
So it is a bit of both.
But I would still maintain that at times the client must find their own way. This can cause some angst and distress. Which I would suggest is the natural human condition
Sooner or later each of us have to take that leap and jump out of the nest. Some will fly and some will fall to their death. If you don't then one has to stay in the nest for an eternity and that is by far the worst outcome
Tony
Posted by: Tony | Tuesday, 24 March 2009
Hello Roses,
Thanks for your kind comments.
My dad was originally a teacher as well until he became a psychologist.
His father was a principle of a high school in a country town and my dad always complained that he got extra stern treatment because he did not want others to think that his son was be getting favorable treatment.
not too sure if that was true or not knowing my dad
Tony
Posted by: Tony | Tuesday, 24 March 2009
Oh Tony,
My dad wasn't a teacher by career. He worked on the RTA as a supervisor (back then - a ganger on the DMR - Department of Main Roads). I just see him as a 'teacher' - he was very good at it. I think there's a difference between 'Telling' and 'Teaching'.
With my mum, i learned to 'behave', with my dad i learned things like - sometimes its better for things to die quickly rather than slowly and painfully, how to teach calves to drink milk out of a bucket, how to climb down trees, why sometimes harsh, not so nice things are sometimes good things to learn from and stuff like that.
I didn't ever really know either of them - probably never will. They were good parents - i like the way they worked well together. Home, for me, was always the better place to be. But i wouldn't go back to that now - i'm so different now, don't think any of us would handle that very well. Actually, that last statement made me giggle.
As nice as things can be in the past, there's no way they'd be better than now.
Posted by: roses | Wednesday, 25 March 2009
My dad, at the age of 4-5, was an orphin along with his little sister who was around two years younger. His mum left them a little earlier and so his dad just kind of left them with people. They went from home to home - his sister was put into an institution early i think - till he started work when he turned 11 or 12. Then they jumped off a ship in Australia and when the war started he joined the army.
My mum was given away to another family member when she way young and was raised by her aunt.
I feel like the luckiest girl in the world to have been their daughter. Life can be so crazy sometimes can't it?
Posted by: roses | Wednesday, 25 March 2009
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