Wednesday, 13 May 2009
Psychology and religion
I was in supervision yesterday and I was asked a question about religion and psychology. It is not an uncommon question that one comes across from time to time. Is religion a Parent contamination of the Adult ego state? So I gave my answer which was maybe yes and maybe no. Then I gave further explanation and I came up with the following. It was one of those situations where as I gave my answer I stated things that I did not know that I knew. So I thought I would write it down here.
Now, I am no theologian. I am trained as a psychologist. So I am not making a statement here about religion or attempting to give some kind of definition of religion. What I am doing is making a statement about the psychological perception of religion. I am looking at how religion can be understood in terms of the personality or the human psyche.
The teaching of religion as is done by the church involves a doctrine being incorporated into the Parent ego state of the person. As the various scriptures are being taught and learnt they are being incorporated by the youngster into their Parent ego state along with various other Parent type tapes. It is a process whereby something from outside the individual gets incorporated into the personality. The diagram below shows this process where aspects of the religion are one of this person’s 4 various Parent ego state tapes

What the person then does with that tape is up to them. Some times it results in good things and sometimes it results in bad things. We need these Parent tapes or we have no society. It is these tapes that keep our Free Child in check. An unchecked Free Child will result in anarchy where people simply do what they want, when they want no matter how much it hurst others. So religious principles can be of a great assistance in this way.
Sometimes how ever the Parent tapes can be overly restrictive so the person ends up with virtually no Free Child left. When that happens the person will end up with some kind of problem like depression, anxiety and so forth. However this is yet to answer my student’s original question about religion being a contamination.

With some people the Parent can ‘contaminate’ the Adult ego state as is shown above. That is the person believes that what is a Parental opinion or value is actually an Adult ego state fact. So they begin to believe and act like their Parental tape is actually an Adult ego state fact and thus we have the contamination.
This is the first part of the answer to the supervisee’s question in the diagram below.

If those instances where the religious teachings become a dogma for the person then he is starting to see the Parental opinion or value as a fact and thus it is a contamination. They believe the religious principles as being incontrovertibly true. This may also be reflected in some kinds of fundamentalism. Their belief is perceived as being fact.
I must admit that I am amused sometimes when I hear those positing that science give the answers and that religion does not. Those who criticise religion for being a dogma and that such individuals are obviously misguided. Then they will say that they have the scientific approach to understanding the world. For instance in psychotherapy they say that they will only use approaches that are based on good scientific evidence. Such individuals are being just as dogmatic and fundamentalist as those religious people who they are criticising.
The scientific method is but one more Parental tape that explains a way to understand the world. It has its good points and it has its bad points like all other Parental tapes do. But to say that it is the only way to understand the outcome of psychotherapy is dogmatic and a Parent contamination of the Adult ego state.

However back to the student’s question at hand. From what I have observed there is another psychological component of religion that does not come from the Parent ego state but comes from the Free Child ego state. This is what I would see faith and perhaps spirituality as being. These things do not come from outside the person (like the Parent tapes) but come from within the individual. They are there already from birth. In some they get ‘expressed’ and in others they do not.
From a psychological point of view if a person has some kind of faith then they are more psychologically robust than that individual who does not. They have a belief in something that cannot be fully understood or seen or touched that maybe a higher power or benevolent in some kind of way. This may even be a living person.
For many this is what their religion or god is to them. It is something that they have a faith in and as I said before this can be a healthy thing to have from a psychological point of view. Indeed for some they could have a faith in science and that indeed would fulfil the same psychological function perhaps.

If one does not have such a faith then perhaps they are missing something psychologically. In one way they could be described as lonely person or a person who lacks some kind of meaning. Indeed one could argue that the psychotherapy of Logotherapy as developed by Viktor Frankl is directly addressed at the person who has truly lacks a faith or belief.
I would also argue that in the diagnosis of the psychopath, anti social personality and narcissistic person one could also use the absence of a faith as a diagnostic criteria. These people in particular lack the aptitude of faith.
So to my student I would say that for some their religion is not a contamination at all but instead provides them with a way in which to discover, comprehend and express their faith. Which from a psychological point of view is a big plus and a sign of emotional health.
Graffiti
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I have just read Dan Brown's "Angels and Demons" as we are off to Rome in a couple of weeks. It theme was set around Religion and Science.
It was a good book.
Those who lead 'cults' must have a very powerful psychological pull over their followers.
Posted by: Kahless | Friday, 15 May 2009
That really makes sense. Your post i mean, it makes sense.
So...
The Child ego state feels the experience and the Parent ego state recalls the things we need to know?
I thought the Parent and Child ego states were past things and the Adult is the here and now.
Oh the question that preceeds that last statement is...
Do we still experience life things through our Child ego state or do we simply remember the feelings of situations from our childhood, and paste them onto a similar situation that may arise now?
I'm sewing! Gosh its fun!
Grinning at you so big and cheesy... roses
Posted by: roses | Friday, 15 May 2009
Hello Kahless,
Have a good time in Rome.
The cult person is very interesting indeed. I might blog something about it later.
Graffiti
Posted by: Tony | Friday, 15 May 2009
Roses you state:
"The Child ego state feels the experience and the Parent ego state recalls the things we need to know?
I thought the Parent and Child ego states were past things and the Adult is the here and now." (end quote)
Well Roses that is a sophisticated statement about a the theory of ego states. A debatable point indeed and represents two alternative 'positions'.
I think I know what your training in the theory was.
Tony
Posted by: Tony | Friday, 15 May 2009
Tony,
In my philosophy class, we learned what 'sophisticated' means - its not nice! Its kind of like a 'smarty pants' type thing - someone who wants to look like they understand things but doesn't really.
Back in the old (and i mean 'old' days - philosopher days way way back) the actual philosopher's would call the lesser (want-a-be) philosopher's 'sophisticated' - totally 'tongue-in-cheek'.
I'm not going to thank you for using that word.
Training? What training? I've done 101, read your posts and a couple of books. What are you talking about?? I don't want to talk about 'training' - stupid training! Doesn't one need to be trained to have had any training and if so - how can i possibly know what i've been trained in when0 i have had none (or very little)! I don't know anything!
I don't want to talk about it. Makes me so angry!
If you could be bothered, could you please shine some light on what i'm supposed to have been trained to believe about this stuff? Cause, where i'm at, we must be having a power outage - no light here - can't see a bloomin thing!
Posted by: roses | Friday, 15 May 2009
Well Roses,
I am a bit iffy about saying anything here as a consequence of your current disquiet.
Today it seems that it does not take much to get you angry which means that it is neurotic anger and not here and now anger.
Out of proportion so I might just wait a little while
Tony
Posted by: Tony | Friday, 15 May 2009
What are you talking about?
AND... aren' t you usually a bit 'iffy' anyway? (humour ok?)
What disquiet? I couldn't be bothered to be angry at you today, but thank you for the attempt of being an outlet. Push away, but i think i'm a bit too weary to bite.
Except for the TA training thing - that was just silly. You know perfectly well what's going on there... nothing.
But it was sweet of you to let me be angry at you. So far today i've sewn 5 bibs and 5 little baby leggins (you know... the ones with the little feet covers) and i'm about to do a jumpsuit (for winter) and a sleeping bag for the tike. I've started my second assignment and thinking of making some little shoes. Never made baby shoes before, i think that sounds a little tricky - so that should be fun i think.
A little bit excited about the possibility of going fishing tomorrow and i've got great reading for our breaks inbetween knibbles (the fishies knibbling that is).
I'm just too tired to be angry. Sorry about that.
It would be nice if you have a great Friday night though. I think you deserve one, especially because of your thoughtfullness today. Happy dreams tonight...
Posted by: roses | Friday, 15 May 2009
Fishing and Knitting Roses,
Sounds like you are expressing both the masculine and feminine parts of your psyche. Good for you.
yes Friday night tonight so I can watch the footy on TV.
have a good nite to you
Oh BTW, you being a mother and all. Look at my last post on my graffiti blog and what would your wise counsel be
Graffiti
Posted by: Tony | Friday, 15 May 2009
Tony,
I havent forgotten the medal pics of my grandfather. Just still researching so I can tell the story around the campaigns he fought. And also do the whole family tree thing. Its great that I can look up my ancestors on old census records and then go to google earth and see the street where they lived.
I come from good working class stock. All very productive with their hands... watch-makers, cabinet makers, railwaymen, coal-men, etc etc. I have gotten back to the 1600s so far on the paternal side. Thats easiest as the surname never changes! Not sure I'll get any further back.
I read the comments above. What popped in my mind was your phrase "neurotic anger." Colloqually, "neurotic" is used as a derogatory term here. Yet I know you dont mean it derogratory. Got me thinking about what it actually means.
is "neurotic" mean 'of the neurons?'
I am guessing from your comment you mean it in the context of the opposite of here and now and then maybe a script thing? Actually I am not sure I mean that, it just flowed through my fingers onto my keyboard. Friday night you see, meaning on the sauce.
Roses,
fishing is a blood sport you know. You murderer you!
Ha! Only pulling your leg. Well it is a blood sport but I am pulling your leg somehow. Actually I am going to stop this comment and go and post a piccie of what I ate on my birthday. And hopefully that will get Gezunda off my back on why I havent posted any piccies from my last break. Gez, I am testing to see if you are reading this!
Posted by: Kahless | Saturday, 16 May 2009
Hi Kahless,
I will only comment briefly as I have to rush out and do my laundry. Will comment more later.
Make sure you do post the photos of medals.
Yes, you have to watch out for that Gez she is a canny one
Graffiti
Posted by: Graffiti | Saturday, 16 May 2009
Well Widow Twanky,
I recommend a washing machine to save your legs!
Posted by: Kahless | Saturday, 16 May 2009
Didn't go fishing after all. Don't love to do that when its windy and its been a tad windy lately.
Something's gone and pushed a button somewhere and life has begun to be a tad tricky. I don't envisage doing anything spontaneously for some time because there is movement/change/desruption in the air - ohh! that may be why its been so windy? Maybe... *shrugs*
Posted by: roses | Sunday, 17 May 2009
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